Summary Part: Good Lord, Wasn't That Enough Text?And to see just how much you enjoy making yourself suffer here is an equally long post by Abuse Puppy in reply to Neil from 11th Company.
Please understand that, despite all of this, I do not think Orks are a terrible army for most people. They are pretty much strictly better than Necrons and any kind of pure Daemonhunters force. They scale better than Dark Eldar and they bring a reasonably unique playstyle to the table that some opponents may not be ready for. And, as discussed far back in the misty depths when this article began, they can do quite well at low- and mid-tier play. For casual players and beginners, for hobbyists and converters, for those who like goofy backstory and great visuals, Orks are a fantastic army. For the competitive player who wants to excel at the game and make the most out of a powerful and flexible army, however, they are a very poor choice, and they are not "broken," "overpowered," "cheesy/beardy," or any of the other adjectives the internet ascribes to their allegedly-strong lists. They are an army with major limitations and one that suffers greatly because of this. I do not doubt that many of you have played nail-bitingly close games against Orks: this does not change the fact that they are a poor army. A good general can make a sub-par force perform at surprising levels, so if you are winning with Orks, please do not take this article as an insult to your favored army or your opponents, but rather as a compliment.
Comments, criticism, and cross-linked counterpoints (as well as any other alliteration anyone aroundabouts adamantly advises) are quite welcome. If you believe you have created a good, take-all-comers Ork army that sidesteps the problems outlined above, I would be interested to see it. Please note that "I win with it" is an insufficient support of your thesis, as explained in the above paragraph.
- Abuse Puppy in Why Orks Are Bad, Despite What the Internet Thinks
Saturday, October 02, 2010
Why Orks Are Bad: Summary
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ReplyDeleteI'll be the first to admit that one game (and on Vassal for that matter) means next to nothing; but I got a game in against AbusePuppy's Tau with my Orks and won on Saturday. >:)
Congrats on the win Nathan *thumbsup*
ReplyDeleteAny chance you will be putting a Vassal Battle Report up on BoK?
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I didn't do any record-keeping of it as I was too busy being taught the interface by AP as we played. I'd be happy to play anyone and save the results.
ReplyDeleteFull disclosure on the game as well. This was one of the first times AP had played at 2k (which is relatively standard in Seattle where I play) and he normally plays lower point games (1500-1750), and I FREELY admit that at those point levels Tau are better and Orks aren't as good.
Like I've mentioned from the get-go, I'm pretty confident that a lot of the good/bad unit/codex debates left on the internet come down to local scenes, as that drives your list-building.